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But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. And then he seemed fine. But if you put two experimenters in the room, and-. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org. In case you've never heard of this, probably have, but in case you haven't, here's what he did. James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. The son eventually after he immigrates to America kills himself. They will spare his son if he fessed up and tells them what they need to know. Then, we reconsider what Stanley Milgram's famous experiment really revealed about human nature (it's both better and worse than we thought). He- he loves the fatherland and he loves Germany. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? A lot of them are like, "This is not how you fight a war.". My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. And it's kind of surprising. But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. There's a pause and my father just says-. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and the Alfred P Sloan Foundation. This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway. Yeah, me too. Our food source then moves into our bodies. And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. We're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. Each answer just begs another why. Well, all right. If you think that science is worth pursuing, you say, "Okay. And the rough statistics are that half of each of our bodies contains nitrogen from the Haber process. But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" I just needed to kill because of that. And he is celebrated for it. There's a sort of chilling comparison which is a speech that Himmler gave to some SS leaders when they were about to commit a range of atrocities. And 84% of the women. The Bad Show Listen Transcript Image credits: Adam Cole Cruelty, violence, badness. That's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. A hero. This is, uh, I just want to take a shower. Is that like a- like a green cloud? And I designed a little, um, questionnaire where I simply ask the students, you know, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" But Haber saw it as a wonderful success and wished- wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it because he felt like they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. Right. So, I heard this one from this guy named David-. Sixty-five percent-, To shock their fellow citizens, over and over again-. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. Because you are sullied by them. But we thought we would- we would play this show, uh, about a little bit of bad that is in all of us. All right, so I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? This story made us wonder is David's friend, is he unusual? Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. As we continue listening to the Bad Show episode on human nature, our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker available on Audible. He walked out of the room and just started weeping. He travels to the front. Uh, he was doing his- his great science work right around the turn of, uh, the 20th century. Zyklon A, which was originally just a pesticide-. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. Also from Breslau. Iago. And to bring a few other of our storytellers in. I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood? But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife. I mean it's a fact, of course, that they're administering pain to a stranger, that's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. The same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. And he spends five years and a futile effort-, Sounds insane. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". Bred from the air was the phrase. I really want to do a good job.". I got to tell you, I'm not totally comfortable that you're providing all of the information [inaudible 00:57:52]-. Our fact checker's Michelle Harris because facts matter. Shoots herself in the chest. And so I expanded the sample where we asked about 5,000 people-. Like, you know, "Who are you?". But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for; and in a way we wait for it still, even now. Well talk about Fritz Haber. They brought in psychiatrists and forensic psychologists to try to get an answer. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. You know, "I- I- I Harley, you know, regret the fact that I killed a young maiden or defamed the king" or whatever it is. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. Or nice chair? Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. Fast forward 10 years. When you press one of these switches all the way down, the learner gets a shock. And today evil, although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing. One of the reasons it grows, is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is produced by Soren Wheeler. He gets promoted to the rank of Captain. The prods. But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod And this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006; total disobedience. He could have never imagined that. "From this time forth, I never will speak a word." Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. What you know, you know.". When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court to accuse Adolf Eichmann. And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". Just trying to imagine that. After all he knows what he can stand. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. And to this day, they have not talked about that day, and he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Bonobos. It's about how far would these people go. That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. And it's this defense. I'm not going to give you- I'm- I'm not going to help restore the sense that there is a moral order to the world and a moral norm. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. "This was exactly what was on my mind. With my arm. Let's just finish this. But he does it with a kind of, uh, amoral athleticism. He recruited a bunch of subjects-. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And he throws himself in one of the central issues facing Germany that at that time. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university, he's working with chemicals; it's about 1880. According to James, he is not the baddest-. Wow. And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. All rights reserved. Imagine they really were had to administer shocks to themselves or something. And so, 1918 Fritz Haber gets a Nobel Prize, but this is why he's such an interesting guy. He said that if I ever had a relationship with another man, he was going to send videos of us having sex to all the people in my university. That's where they're heading towards. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. But this was a moment in German history, he says, when Jews had a decent amount of freedom. It's absolutely essential. [inaudible 00:59:10] I went back one time before and [inaudible 00:59:13] that I Like I said, I got to give it out, can't keep holding it in. Yeah. I-. This is Radio Lab, and today elements. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. WNYC's Radiolab The Good Show Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich Jan. 01, 2012 The standard view of evolution is that living things are shaped by cold-hearted competition. I'm Jad Abumrad. I think you got to answer it, "With him." They're not doing something because they have to. Well, the thing that haunts me about the why question that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. Many of them after they were murdered. Um, this is one of the things that's, uh, this was one of the things that's sparked my interest in the topic of murder. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? You know, energy from the sun to grow crops. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies; that's what you do. in what is basically like the Baghdad of his time (laughing). What does he say? Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. Thousands of people have done it before you. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. You're not the first one. So- so first of all, could you just like, uh, when did he live and what did he look like and that kind of stuff? But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife, Clara Immerwahr. I'm really proud of Job, he believes in me, and he trusts me in so much, and he has such great faith in me. As far as I know, I don't know if I did or not. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? If those two participants refused to go on. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. After all, he knows what he can stand. Jul 28, 2018 She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. By the ocean of breath twice, I remember I carried your oxygen. Thanks. Even now. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk and I, basically, spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. And-. Be right back. Visit casper.com/radiolab and use code radiolab and check out to get $50 towards select mattresses. I'm Robert Krulwich. Whatever it is. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". September 15, 2022 Radiolab for Kids and WNYC Studios present Terrestrials, a six-episode miniseries hosted by Lulu Miller (co-host of Radiolab . Okay. The time now is 0836 hours. He's standing there on the front pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings. Or does everybody at some point have something dark in them? He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers. Just give me your finger, [crosstalk 00:09:28] I'm going to-. "The experiment requires that you continue.". That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. God. So, they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow. Do we know? So he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself. Become A Member. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . And the way I killed her, I cared for her because I dated her for [inaudible 01:01:43]. When you needed to stop for breath, your hand ran light and steady. Why does God allow this to happen? Two more minutes. And when nitrogen and hydrogen bond together, the thing you get-. That was not a real shock. And it's moving at about one meter per second. Sep 21, 2018 . I'm not going to go ahead with it. Trim, nice mustache. But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod, and this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006, total disobedience. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Is an absolute order. But the generals were not all that convinced. Could you just tell me the little story that you begin your book with? [2] All right. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? Well, he started- he started fuming that his wife had- had dissed him. Necrophilia. Prince-nez? In graphic detail. It is a fair question to ask, "What are the conditions under which you, or me, or any of us could do-. Sort of unsportsmanlike. They're going to record it okay. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. He was trying to repeat this masterstroke. A box of ashes. Time's up. Hi I'm Robert Krulwich. It's a little bit more direct. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? And did you go back to the party then and continue dinner partying for a while? This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. I actually did the first thing, but he saw my intentions and ran away." Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And then, the final one. We don't exactly know why. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. Because if they're going to record it, I mean I'm going to record it here to but [inaudible 00:27:30]. There's a pause and my father just says. We have nothing. Whether it was feeding or killing or-, And he does. Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. By the way, that's reporter [Latif Nassar 00:30:59]. And while David's sitting in the bedroom with this friend, the guy looks up at him and he says-, Like, through his teeth. No reason. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? Right. Only 10% under those circumstances go on. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. But harbor saw it as a wonderful success, and wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it, because he felt they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. He had an attack or something there. So Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. And so, uh, when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. Um, "Demand me nothing. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camp? Finally, acknowledging, yeah, that's true. It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. And on June 13, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell, and brought to a sort of very nondescript, concrete, ugly office building. Don't you think you should look in on him, please? Haber starts thinking, "In order to do this we need to pressure this, we need to put it under a lot of pressure.". They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. The fourth product is-. He'll be our guide for the segment. Was he trying to make a commentary or something? He wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. Then you left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said, "Yes. You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? So he plans to destroy Othello. I would say in a powerful mood; we're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. And as he was in the kitchen, looking stupid, peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently, so that he wouldn't suspect anything. Continue using the last switch on the board, please. SciShow Tangents Hey wait! And Hitler takes over. And actually, this wasn't just the German thing. And you like her. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. It's 0924 hours on June 17th, year 2003. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. So during World War I, Haber's Institute had developed a formulation of insect killing gas called zyklon. But he does it with a kind of amoral athleticism, he does it without humility, without a lot of doubt. But that's not what he found. Then, we reconsider what Stanley Milgram's famous experiment really revealed about human nature (it's both better and worse than we thought). Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? He actually was very humiliated, uh, that Germany had lost. And then, it was several hours later in the middle of the night that I got the call. That's it? Next, we meet a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil: chemist Fritz Haber, who won a Nobel Prize in 1918around the same time officials in the US were calling him a war criminal. Yes. And 84 percent of the women. Cruelty, violence, badness. On the other hand, if anyone could do it-. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. Yeah. Yes. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him, certifiably, to all these crimes. He works for a general. And they would circle yes or no. She had something else on her mind. So these are some word pairs. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". They were gagging, they were choking. Now you're saying actually that you could read that, that very dark fact, as being actually evidence of something quite- quite noble. ", "Even- even when their sorrows almost were forgot. And what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into sea water, which contains very small levels of gold. He gets promoted to the rank of captain-. And they would circle yes or no. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. 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